Junction Guy, You aren't missing much at Channel C. Ros rules that discussion board like the Governing Body rules Jehovah's Witnesses. With an iron hand and with no consideration for either the opinions or the feelings of anyone else. I know from experience. I used to participate in discussions on her board regularly. Too regularly in fact. I found myself spending way too much time there, time that I realized could be spent more productively. When I mentioned my feelings on this matter in one of my last posts there Ros decided to try to make me look foolish by posting the contents of one of my private E mails to her which she characterized as me having previously "begged" her to be allowed to participate. Why, she asked quite sarcastically, had I done so if I didn't think posting on her board was time well spent. I posted a reply telling her that she was wrong to post the contents of a private E mail and to belittle me publicly. I told her since she had done both publicly that she owed me a public apology, But instead of providing one she chose to simply delete her offensive post along with my posting privileges. I have heard from several others that over the years Ros has treated many other people in the same rude manner, often without explanation, deleting the accounts of people with whom she has had either doctrinal or personal disagreements. So often so, in fact, that her board has now turned into a virtual spiritual ghost town with sometimes days passing without a single post being added. Some of the few people she has allowed to remain are now so afraid of offending its "sheriff" that their posts are, for the most part, lacking any interesting ("controversial") content. Political discussions are banned. Discussions of the war in Iraq are banned. Discussions of Catholicism are banned. Defenses of religious doctrines which Ros personally disagrees with, such as the Trinity, are banned. And the list goes on. All I can figure is that Ros is now making up big time for all those years when she, as JW woman, was not allowed to hold any position of "power."
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A kind response to Jim Penton & Ros of Channel C
by Amazing inthe following are transports of postings on http://www.channelc.org/ made by jim penton and ros regarding myself and james caputo respectively.
the reason that i did not post directly on channel c is that ros and many of her board participants do not like to see anything that resembles catholic discussion, even if the responses are done respectfully and in a spirit of clarifying a false claim or misunderstanding.
i too do not like "catholic" discussions on channel c, and have not posted there for 9 months until i recently posted an announcement about tom cabeen's interviews on ewtn and with randy watters.
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I certainly would have. For I don't believe that any human being who has ever lived could have passed that test. In fact I believe that was the point of the demonstration God orchestrated in Eden. Humans are less righteous than God and, because we are, we don't deserve to live forever.
The Watchtower's take on Adam and Eve makes no sense. For any "God" would certainly know from the beginning the outcome of the "test" Genesis tells us He gave to Adam and Eve. Heck, any dope could have guessed how Adam was going to do on that "test."
God told Adam that if he ate some fruit he would die. God then left Adam without human companionship (let alone female companionship) in that garden for what the JW's tell us was quite a few years. Then God finally gave him a beautiful naked woman as his new best friend. Now this gorgeous lady tells Adam that, in spite of what he has heard to the contrary, she thinks they should eat the forbidden fruit. Besides, she tells him, her sources have assured her that Adam has been misinformed about this fruit being bad for them.
Anyone could have guessed who Adam was going to care most about pleasing, his old friend God or his new friend Eve. After sleeping with squirrels for years what man wouldn't have risked his life to make sure he didn't lose that lady's love and affection? Even if God then "chose not to" look into the future, as JW's say, the God who created Adam would have had to have had a very poor knowledge of His own creation not to have known that Adam was certainly going to fail that "test." Adam did not stand a chance.
The only way the story of Adam and Eve makes sense is to understand that God not only knew how things were going to end up in Eden, but that He deliberately set the whole thing up to make a point. What point? This one. If Adam in paradise, without a problem in the world, could not manage to obey one simple command from God, what chance does any human being have of living their entire trouble-plagued life without sinning either in word, thought or deed? No chance at all. That is the lesson that was illustrated in Eden. Human beings have a "sinful" nature. A nature which God gave us. And because we do, we don't deserve to live forever.
But why would God give us a "sinful" nature? Because "God is love," and because God wanted to create people in his "own image," He wanted to create people whom He could have a loving relationship with. But since true love can be neither forced nor programmed, in order to have loving relationships with us, God had to create us as free people. Free to choose to love God and His ways or to not love God and His ways. In other words, free to do both right and wrong, free to do both good and evil.
But because we can do wrong and often do, and because God can't do wrong and never does, we are less righteous than God. And because we are, none of us deserve to live forever. That means all human beings have, in effect, from their births been condemned by God to die. Not because of anything Adam did, but because we ourselves all fall short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)
That's the bad news. Now the Good News. The Bible tells us that God was willing to accept the death of His Son Jesus Christ in place of the deaths which His own high standards - only those who are completely righteous deserve to live forever - had determined we all must suffer.
This is the "Good News" presented in the pages of the New Testament. That even though God's high standards demanded our deaths as the penalty for our sins, God is willing to accept the death of Jesus Christ in place of the deaths of all who now accept Christ's death as payment in full for all their sins. And because God accepts Christ's death as payment for the sins of Christians, He no longer considers Christians to be sinners. Rather, He considers them to be righteous ones who are now fully worthy of eternal life. And because He does, He now promises to give eternal life to all who put their faith in Jesus Christ.
Adam's actions demonstrated that human beings are incapable of earning eternal life by our own acts of righteousness. For we are simply not righteous enough to ever do that. That being the case, our only hope of living forever is to be given eternal life by God as an undeserved gift. The Bible tells us that He now offers this gift to all who appreciate the high cost God paid in order to provide them this gift. The Bible tells us that God paid for this gift "with His own blood." (Acts 20:28)
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When was Daniel's "70 Weeks" first applied to Jesus?
by jwfacts inthere are two main understandings of the 70 weeks in daniel 9. that is applied to antiochus iv epiphanes and the sacking of jerusalem in 168bcthat it foretold the coming of the messiahwhen was this first seen to be a prophecy regarding the coming of the messiah?
was it before or after the event?
were any jews expecting the messiah in 30ad based on understanding this as a prophecy?.
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I believe that most people who insist on believing that the words recorded in Daniel 9:24-27 are referring to events which took place during the reign of Antiochus IV do so because of their possession of a very strong anti-supernatural bias. In other words, they can't believe that this passage of scripture is a messianic prophecy because they don't believe the Bible contains any prophecy, or that such supernatural activity is even possible. That being the case, they are left to believe that this passage of scripture must refer to events which took place long before the time of Christ and must have been written after the events being referred to took place, not centuries before they occurred.
Those who do not posses such an anti-supernatural bias are usually willing to consider the possibility that Daniel 9:24-27 is indeed a messianic prophecy. However, those who have long considered it to most likely be such have also long struggled with its proper application.
I long ago considered the "Gap" interpretation that has here been suggested and found it to be a very poor fit.
The Watchtower Society's interpretation is also problematic. For it insists, against the testimony of all historians, that Artaxerxes came to the throne of Persia in 474 BC. They do so to support their interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy. (Dan.9:24-27) They say that since Daniel prophesied that 69 weeks (of years) would pass between the issuing of a decree to rebuild Jerusalem and the coming of the Messiah, that decree must have been given 483 years before 29 AD, the year they assign to Christ's baptism. And because 483 years before 29 AD was the year 455 BC, they say 455 BC must have been the 20th year of Artaxerxes, the year in which the Bible tells us such a decree was issued. (Neh. chapter 2 )
However, all serious historians now assure us that Artaxerxes began to rule the Persian empire in August of 465 BC. And they tell us that Artaxerxes' 20th year of ruling Persia took place in 445 BC, not in 455 BC as the Watchtower Society says.
If these historians are correct in their dating of Artaxerxes' reign, and I believe they are, and if Daniel 9:24-27 is a messianic prophecy, and I believe it is, how can we reconcile this apparent historical conflict? I believe we can do so by paying close attention to something the first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote on this subject matter. Josephus recorded that Nehemiah "came to Jerusalem" not "in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes" as the Bible seems to say, but in his "twenty and fifth year." (Ant. XI, 5, 7)
The fact is that the Bible does not actually say that Nehemiah returned to Jerusalem in Artaxerxes' 20th year. It only tells us that Artaxerxes then gave Nehemiah permission to do so. While Josephus, on the other hand, tells us of the time that Nehemiah actually "came to Jerusalem." This allows us to understand that Nehemiah did not return to Jerusalem and give his command to begin rebuilding that city until Artaxerxes' 25th year as king of Persia, which would have been in the year 440 BC, even though the Bible seems to indicate that Nehemiah issued his command five years earlier, in Artaxerxes' 20th year as king of Persia, which is now understood to have taken place in the year 445 BC. (Neh. 1:1-6)
Concerning this matter, in his book, "History Of Israel" (third edition, 1981, pg. 381) John Bright tells us, "The Bible gives us the impression that Nehemiah set out at once, accompanied by a military escort (Neh.2:9). But Josephus (Ant. XI, 5, 7), who follows the Septuagint text, the first part of which is preserved in 1 Esdres, places his arrival only in 440. Though assurance is impossible, this may be correct. If Nehemiah first went to Babylon and collected Jews to accompany him, as Josephus has it, and then having presented his credentials to the satrap of Abah-nahara, attended to the procurement of building materials before proceeding to Jerusalem, as he possibly did since work was begun soon after his arrival, the date is not unreasonable."
Other scholars agree with Bright's assessment of Josephus' probable accuracy in this matter. For instance, Sigmund Mowinckel, a highly regarded Scandinavian bible scholar, believes that Josephus used a separate Greek version of Nehemiah that in several respects differed from that preserved in the LXX. He argues that Josephus' chronological information on the Persian kings was not his own calculations or mistakes, but was quoting from this now lost Greek version of Nehemiah. On Josephus' statement about the 25th year of Artaxerxes, Mowinckel says that his figures may very well be the original ones. He writes, "In my opinion the balance [of evidence] is in favor of [the figure] '25'." (Vol. 3, p.45 of Studien zu dem Buche Ezra-Nehema, Vols. 1-3, Oslo, 1964)
It is also possible to reconcile the "25" figure provided to us by Josephus and the "20" figure provided to us by Nehemiah by understanding something that I learned by studying the chronological information recorded in the books of Kings and Chronicles. By doing so I learned that Bible writers did not count a king's years of reign in which his right to rule was being legally contested. If Nehemiah counted the years of Artaxerxes' reign in this way we have reason to believe that he would not have counted the first five years of his rule. If he did not, then the "20th" year of Artaxerxes as reckoned by Nehemiah would have been his "25th" year as reckoned by Josephus and by modern day historians. If Nehemiah reckoned the reign of Artaxerxes in this way, when he told us that he was allowed to return to Jerusalem to begin its rebuilding in Artaxeres' "20th" year he would have been referring to the same year Josephus was referring to when he told us that Nehemiah came to Jerusalem in Artaxerxes' "25th" year. In such a case both men would have been referring to the year 440 BC.
But what reason do we have for believing that Nehemiah may not have counted the first five years of Artaxerxes' reign because he knew their legality was then being contested?
Historians tell us that Artaxerxes ascended to the throne of Persia in a very unusual way. He did so following the murder of his father Xerxes. In order to gain the throne for himself Artaxerxes blamed his father's murder on the rightful heir to the throne, his older brother crown prince Darius. He and his supporters, the real murderers, then had Darius unjustly executed. This much we know. And since we know it we can assume that many of Persia’s royal family then also knew it.
Under those circumstances, Artaxerxes' legal right to rule Persia during the first few years of his reign would have certainly been disputed by anyone who considered himself to be the legitimate heir to Persia’s throne. Immediately following Xerxes’ murder Artaxerxes' other older brother Hyspases, who was then away governing the Persian Province of Bactria, and Xerxes' own full brother Achamenes, who was then away governing Egypt, both would have known that they then held the legal right to Persia's throne, ahead of Artaxerxes. At that time many of their friends and family would have certainly supported their claims to be the rightful heir to Persia’s throne.
Since this was the case, Artaxerxes would not have gained full unchallenged control of the Persian empire until the year 459 BC. For it was in that year that Achamenes was killed in a battle in Egypt, and it was only shortly before then that Artaxerxes killed his older brother Hyspases in what is known as the Bactrian revolt. So, with these things in mind, it appears that it was not until 459 BC, when both of his legitimate rivals for Persia's throne were finally out of the way, that Artaxerxes finally secured full legal control of Persia’s throne.And if that is the case, if Nehemiah counted the years of Artaxerxes' reign beginning with his first uncontested year of rule, he would have counted the year 459 BC as his first year and the year 440 BC as his "20th" year, the year in which he came to Jerusalem and ordered that its rebuilding begin.
But how does understanding that Nehemiah may have reckoned the reign of Artaxerxes differently than we do today, in a way that equated his 25th year with his "20th" year, and differently than Josephus did who said that Nehemiah gave his order to begin rebuilding Jerusalem in Ataxerxes' "25th" year, help us to make sense of Daniel's "Seventy Weeks" prophecy?
As most students of Bible prophecy know, Daniel's "seventy weeks" are generally understood as referring to seventy weeks of years (seventy sets of seven years) totaling a period of 490 solar years. But the Jews used a lunar calendar! Their years were lunar years, not solar years. And, despite the fact that the Jews adjusted their lunar calendars by adding a thirteenth month to them every few years to prevent them from falling too far out of sync with the solar year, the fact remains that a "year" to the Jews always meant a lunar year, not a solar year. And a week of years to the Jews would have meant seven lunar years. And seventy weeks of years to the Jews would have meant 490 lunar years, not 490 solar years.
Now, since one lunar year contains 354.367 days, 490 lunar years contain 173,639.83 days. And 173,639.83 days divided by 365.2425 (the number of days in a solar year) equal 475.40 solar years. With these things in mind, I have come to conclusion that Daniel's "seventy weeks" were a period of 475.4 years which ran from 440 BC to 36 AD. I believe those 475.4 years began at the time Nehemiah gave his "commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" (Dan. 9:25 KJV; Neh. 2:17,18). And I believe those 475.4 years ended at the time God acted to "confirm the [new] covenant with many" by pouring His Holy Spirit out on Gentiles for the first time (Dan. 9:27 KJV; Acts 10). I believe the "many" here referred to were the "many nations" God promised Abraham that he would one day become the father of. (Gen. 17:4) Thus, I see no need to rewrite history, as the Watchtower Society does, in order to understand Daniel's "70 weeks" prophecy.
For the facts of history, together with a knowledge that the Jews used a lunar calendar, combine to show that, just as Daniel prophesied, the Messiah appeared in the fall of the year 29 AD. At that time Jesus Christ was "cut off" from his people and, quite literally, "had nothing for himself." (Dan.9:26) For he then began a forty day long fast in the wilderness. Then, after three and a half years, in the middle of Daniel's seventieth week, Christ's sacrificial death brought an end to the Jewish system of sacrificial offerings.(Dan. 9:27) Finally, three and a half years later, at the end of Daniel's "Seventy Weeks" Christ "confirmed a covenant with many" (Dan.9:27) when he, for the first time, poured out his Holy Spirit on non-Jewish people. This confirmed the fact that God intended for the good news of Jesus Christ to be preached to all people on earth, just as Christ said that it would be. (Math. 24:14)
With these things in mind, I believe we can now properly understand Daniel's "70 weeks" prophecy in the following way:
First, 7 weeks (49 lunar years, 47.54 solar years) from the spring of 440 BC brings us to the late autumn of 393 BC. By this time Jerusalem's rebuilding had been completed. (Dan.9:25)
Second, after another 62 weeks (434 lunar years, 421.07 solar years) in the autumn of AD 29 Jesus of Nazareth became the “Messiah” spoken of in Dan. 9:25, 26 when he was anointed with the waters of baptism by John and Holy Spirit by God. Immediately following this event Jesus spent forty days fasting alone in the wilderness. During this time, in fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, Jesus was totally "cut off" from his people and quite literally "had nothing for himself." (Dan. 9:26)
Third, "in the middle of” this prophecy's 70th week, on April 3rd, April 5th and May 14th of 33 AD, Jesus' sacrificial death, resurrection and ascension to heaven successfully "put an end to sacrifice and offering." (Dan. 9:27)
Fourth, at the end of this prophecy's 70th week, in about mid-September of 36 AD, in further fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, God's Holy Spirit was poured out on the first non-Jewish people.(Acts 10) This was done in order to "confirm a covenant with many." (Dan. 9:27) The "many" here referred to were the "many nations" God promised Abraham that he would one day become the father of. (Gen. 17:4)By the way, I am certainly well aware of the fact that the Jews added a second month of Adar to the tail end of their lunar calendars every few years to make sure that their lunar calendar never fell too far out of sync with the solar year. However, this does not change the fact that, to the Jews, "a year" normally meant 354 days. For that is the number of days which one of their calendars normally contained. Their calendars usually consisted of six 29 day months and six 30 day months. So, to the Jews a “year” was a lunar year, and a week of years (literally a “seven” of years) was seven lunar years. And “seventy” “sevens” of lunar years = 490 lunar years, none of which are by nature solar-adjusted.
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Could I have broken into your house?
by Outaservice insome time ago, i asked this question on the old h2o, but many of you are new.
i'm curious.
how many of you, when you were jw's had the security code '1914' in your home system?
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Dan,
The problem is, very few JW's have ever been in need of a home security system.
Because of the Society's long standing policy of discouraging higher education ("The End" has always been coming too soon for JW's to "waste" their time going to college) most JW's have aalways ended up in low paying jobs not earning enough money to own anything requiring the protection of a security system.
I recently read some study that confirmed this to be a fact. It found that among all religions, JW's have the lowest average level of education and income. There are, of course, exceptions to this rule. A few JW's have somehow managed, with nothing more than a High School education, to start successful businesses and make enough money to need a security system. But they are certainly few and far between.
Mike
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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Billy,
I just read your Halley's comet reference. I saw nothing there that would have given anyone in 1910 the idea that it may have then been "the Sign of the Son of Man."
For something to serve as a "sign" of someone it must somehow direct people's attention to that someone. A few things about this approaching asteroid will direct people's attention to Christ. First, of course, is the time of its appearance in 2036, on a day that is simultaneously being remembered as the day of Christ's death, and being celebrated as the day of his resurrection. Second is the fact that its appearance in 2036 will come exactly seven years after its first appearance in earth's skies. (Many Christians understand the scriptures to say that a seven year period of tribulation will precede Christ's second coming.) And third is the fact that astronomers now tell us that this asteroid may strike the earth in 2036. (Though they now say the chances of that happening are low, they tell us things could change in 2029 after Apophis first passes through earth's skies, depending on how earth's gravitational pull affects its orbit.) If Apophis does strike the earth in 2036 many Christians will then certainly suspect that it is a biblical "sign" of Christ's impending return, since he spoke of 'stars falling from heaven' before his return and the book of Revelation also speaks of a falling star striking the earth before Christ's return. And finally, for those who understand Daniel's "Seventy Weeks" prophecy in much the way JW's do, 2036 will mark the 2000th anniversary of the culmination of that prophecy's fulfillment.
How did you like Bethel?
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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Billy,
As I have pointed out, besides being Easter Sunday (Read that "Resurrection Sunday" since you don't like the word "Easter") April 13th, 2036 will also be the date of Jewish Passover, Nisan 14, the day of Christ's death. In 2036 Passover will begin on the evening of April 12th and end on the evening of April 13th. The following link will verify this fact.
Besides, I have not said that the asteroid Apophis will serve as "the sign of the Son of Man." For the sake of an interesting conversation, I have only said that it might then do so. If after its first appearance on April 13th, 2029 its orbit is slightly altered by earth's gravitational pull and astronomers then predict it will hit the earth when it returns seven years later, with Christ having spoken of 'stars falling from heaven' and Revelation doing the same, you can bet the whole Christian world will then be abuzz with talk of Christ's imminent return.
The fact that this asteroid will return to earth exactly seven years after its first appearance, and that it will do so on a day which is then widely recognized as being the day of Christ's death, and also then widely celebrated as being the day of his resurrection, will certainly make it a good time to be in the Bible printing business.
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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Nark,
I think you know what I meant. "The writer of Daniel claims to have been Daniel himself and he claims several times in his book to have written it [during the reigns of kings whom we today know ruled] in the sixth century BC.
I appreciate all of which you just wrote. However, the fact remains that "pseudepigraphic literature" is, as its name implies, texts which were written by someone falsely claiming to be someone else. To me that makes the authors of such literature liars and frauds. I do not believe the Bible canon I read from contains such literature. Evidently you believe Daniel to be pseudepigraphic and probably several other Bible books as well. I myself would never bother reading a book claiming to be a work of non-fiction if I believed its author was not being honest about his own identity. If I could not trust him on that how could I believe anything else he wrote?
I'm sorry to hear you have lost your faith. JW's tend to cause that to happen to a lot of people. I'm sorry if anything I said offended you.
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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Caedes,
You wrote: How patronizing.
I'm sorry. I guess I could have worded that more tactfully. But I really don't get it. Maybe I am missing something here. But if I believed the Bible was written by a bunch of crazy men who thought God was talking to them when he was not, along with a few liars and frauds who were trying to pass off recently observed historical events as prophecies written centuries earlier, I certainly would not waste my time reading it.
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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Nark,
You speak about our different perspectives. From your reference to the "2nd-century-BC author of Daniel" I can see our biggest difference. The writer of Daniel claims to have been Daniel himself and he claims several times in his book to have written it in the sixth century BC. Since you apparently believe that the writer of Daniel was a liar and a fraud, and by extension most likely that other Bible writers were as well, I don't see the point in your closely analyzing any of the Bible's contents. For, if you are right, then none of its contents may be truthful or of any great value.
But then that may be why some people study the Bible, to find evidence that it is not inspired by God, so they can then use that "evidence" to "help" Bible believers understand that they are wasting their lives believing lies.
Or maybe I am totally off base here. If you don't believe the words of Bible writers to be true why do you bother studying the Bible?
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Will this be "the Sign of the Son of Man"?
by a Christian inforgive me if this has been posted here before.
i just read about a comet that is now heading our way that will come closer to us than our moon.
this comet will be visible in earth's skies on april 13th ( good friday, the day of christ's death ) in the year 2029. it will then return exactly seven years later on april 13 ( easter sunday, the day of christ's resurrection ) in the year 2036. it is said that its 2029 pass through the earth's skies and its gravitational pull may alter its orbit just a little bit so that upon its return in 2036 it may strike the earth.
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Back to the subject we started with, the asteroid Apophis possibly turning out to be "the sign of the Son of Man."
I just discovered that Jewish Passover, Nisan 14, the day of Jesus Christ's death, also falls on April 13th in 2036. (Passover begins the evening of the 12th and runs to the evening of the 13th.)
This is not at all common. Most of the time these two holidays are several days or even a month apart.
On April 13th, 2036 the asteroid Apophis will return to earth after an absence of exactly seven years on what will then be both the actual day of Christ's death and the traditional day of his resurrection, to then possibly strike the earth.
That makes this asteroid's appearance on that date even more likely to then be widely seen as "the sign of the Son of Man."
Remember 1975? Well 2036 is gonna make you forget all about it.
I just verified that these two holidays (Passover and Easter) fall on the same day in 2036 at this Web Site: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:7CDCowJXWFwJ:engert.us/erwin/Bible/Easter%2520Passover.doc+Passover+date+2036&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us&ie=UTF-8